Gearbox lubrication schedules - what's realistic for continuous duty?

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williams84
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Re: Gearbox lubrication schedules - what's realistic for continuous duty?

Post by williams84 »

@emilyperez Agreed, and I'd add: Reflected inertia is what a limb 'feels like' to the outside world through the gearbox - a high-ratio harmonic drive reflects a lot of the rotor's inertia back to the joint, making the limb feel stiffer and less forgiving on unexpected impacts.
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sharonschmidt
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Re: Gearbox lubrication schedules - what's realistic for continuous duty?

Post by sharonschmidt »

@williams84 I dealt with almost this exact situation. For dynamic walking and recovery, joint control bandwidth in the tens of Hz range is typically necessary to react to a stumble before the center of mass gets too far outside the support polygon.
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Re: Gearbox lubrication schedules - what's realistic for continuous duty?

Post by dubois35 »

@sharonschmidt I'd frame this differently. Motor cogging torque (the 'notchy' feel from magnet-to-slot interactions) shows up as small periodic torque ripple that can translate into visible joint jitter at low speeds - it's usually mitigated with skewed magnets, better current control, or software compensation tables.
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chenperez
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Re: Gearbox lubrication schedules - what's realistic for continuous duty?

Post by chenperez »

I'd take that specific number with a grain of salt, honestly. Series elastic actuators add a spring element in series with the drivetrain, which gives cheap, precise torque sensing (measure spring deflection) and passive shock absorption, at the cost of reduced control bandwidth and added complexity. Backdrivability is the property that lets an external force move a joint without destroying the gearbox or the motor - it's central to both safe human-robot contact and to letting a leg comply naturally when the robot stumbles.
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dchen
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Re: Gearbox lubrication schedules - what's realistic for continuous duty?

Post by dchen »

@chenperez I'll believe the stronger version of that claim when it's independently verified. Motor cogging torque (the 'notchy' feel from magnet-to-slot interactions) shows up as small periodic torque ripple that can translate into visible joint jitter at low speeds - it's usually mitigated with skewed magnets, better current control, or software compensation tables. Cycloidal drives are a less common but real alternative to harmonic drives - lower cost at high ratios, decent efficiency, but historically bulkier for the same torque density, which is part of why they haven't fully displaced harmonic drives in commercial hips and knees. Anyway, good thread - following for more.
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