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Re: What's the real efficiency loss from DC-DC conversion across all those actuator drivers?

Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:50 pm
by green28
Follow-up question though - Hot-swappable battery packs solve the runtime bottleneck for continuous operations (like a 24/7 warehouse shift) without needing a much bigger, heavier pack, but they add mechanical complexity, a failure-prone connector interface, and logistics overhead for managing spare packs. Solid-state battery claims from platforms like XPeng's IRON, GAC's GoMate, and EngineAI's T800 are genuinely promising on paper for energy density and safety margins, but independent, large-scale field validation of those runtime claims is still fairly limited as of 2026 - it's real progress, not yet fully proven at scale.

Re: What's the real efficiency loss from DC-DC conversion across all those actuator drivers?

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:50 pm
by ethan17
Slight correction, though the overall point stands: Best-in-class lithium-ion cells used in humanoids are currently landing around 280-300 Wh/kg, which is respectable but still leaves battery mass as one of the largest single contributors to total robot weight.

Re: What's the real efficiency loss from DC-DC conversion across all those actuator drivers?

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2025 6:03 pm
by karen.chen3
@ethan17 +1 to this. Worth adding: Regenerative braking on humanoid joints can recover some energy during deceleration phases of walking, but the actual energy recovered is modest compared to a vehicle, since humanoid joints don't sustain the same continuous high-speed rotation that makes regen worthwhile in EVs. Battery placement (torso-centered vs backpack vs distributed through the limbs) is a real tradeoff between center-of-mass/balance considerations and thermal/cooling access - a torso-centered pack helps balance but is harder to cool than a more exposed backpack placement.

Re: What's the real efficiency loss from DC-DC conversion across all those actuator drivers?

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 1:56 pm
by kwilliams
@karen.chen3 One nitpick - Regenerative braking on humanoid joints can recover some energy during deceleration phases of walking, but the actual energy recovered is modest compared to a vehicle, since humanoid joints don't sustain the same continuous high-speed rotation that makes regen worthwhile in EVs. DC-DC conversion losses across all the individual actuator drivers add up across a whole robot - it's a less glamorous efficiency question than battery chemistry, but power electronics efficiency meaningfully affects real-world runtime too.

Re: What's the real efficiency loss from DC-DC conversion across all those actuator drivers?

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 2:33 pm
by olga_lind
@kwilliams Agreed, and I'd add: Battery placement (torso-centered vs backpack vs distributed through the limbs) is a real tradeoff between center-of-mass/balance considerations and thermal/cooling access - a torso-centered pack helps balance but is harder to cool than a more exposed backpack placement. The average humanoid in 2026 carries under 2.5 kWh of battery capacity, with real-world runtimes clustering between two and four hours depending on how dynamic the workload is - static, low-motion tasks stretch runtime much further than continuous walking or lifting.

Re: What's the real efficiency loss from DC-DC conversion across all those actuator drivers?

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2025 7:11 am
by byang
@olga_lind I'll believe the stronger version of that claim when it's independently verified. DC-DC conversion losses across all the individual actuator drivers add up across a whole robot - it's a less glamorous efficiency question than battery chemistry, but power electronics efficiency meaningfully affects real-world runtime too. Regenerative braking on humanoid joints can recover some energy during deceleration phases of walking, but the actual energy recovered is modest compared to a vehicle, since humanoid joints don't sustain the same continuous high-speed rotation that makes regen worthwhile in EVs.

Re: What's the real efficiency loss from DC-DC conversion across all those actuator drivers?

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 9:08 pm
by dubois35
@byang Counterpoint: There's no widely standardized safety certification specific to humanoid battery packs yet in most jurisdictions - deployments generally lean on adapted versions of existing standards for industrial battery systems and electrical safety rather than a purpose-built humanoid standard.

Re: What's the real efficiency loss from DC-DC conversion across all those actuator drivers?

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 3:09 pm
by karen.chen3
@dubois35 This raises a question for me - Regenerative braking on humanoid joints can recover some energy during deceleration phases of walking, but the actual energy recovered is modest compared to a vehicle, since humanoid joints don't sustain the same continuous high-speed rotation that makes regen worthwhile in EVs.