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Re: What Wh/kg are current cells actually hitting in deployed humanoids?
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 9:31 pm
by noah_pate
Genuinely curious -
Solid-state battery claims from platforms like XPeng's IRON, GAC's GoMate, and EngineAI's T800 are genuinely promising on paper for energy density and safety margins, but independent, large-scale field validation of those runtime claims is still fairly limited as of 2026 - it's real progress, not yet fully proven at scale.
Re: What Wh/kg are current cells actually hitting in deployed humanoids?
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:07 am
by jwang
@noah_pate This is a great summary, thanks.
DC-DC conversion losses across all the individual actuator drivers add up across a whole robot - it's a less glamorous efficiency question than battery chemistry, but power electronics efficiency meaningfully affects real-world runtime too.
Re: What Wh/kg are current cells actually hitting in deployed humanoids?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2025 10:27 pm
by kwilliams
Small correction on one detail:
A BMS (battery management system) has to guard against transient current spikes from sudden gait changes or lifting motions, not just steady-state draw - peak current headroom and fast-acting protection logic matter as much as total capacity for real-world duty cycles.
Re: What Wh/kg are current cells actually hitting in deployed humanoids?
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:44 pm
by camila.jackson0
I'd take that specific number with a grain of salt, honestly.
Solid-state battery claims from platforms like XPeng's IRON, GAC's GoMate, and EngineAI's T800 are genuinely promising on paper for energy density and safety margins, but independent, large-scale field validation of those runtime claims is still fairly limited as of 2026 - it's real progress, not yet fully proven at scale. The average humanoid in 2026 carries under 2.5 kWh of battery capacity, with real-world runtimes clustering between two and four hours depending on how dynamic the workload is - static, low-motion tasks stretch runtime much further than continuous walking or lifting.
Re: What Wh/kg are current cells actually hitting in deployed humanoids?
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:37 pm
by scott21
Genuinely curious -
Best-in-class lithium-ion cells used in humanoids are currently landing around 280-300 Wh/kg, which is respectable but still leaves battery mass as one of the largest single contributors to total robot weight.
Re: What Wh/kg are current cells actually hitting in deployed humanoids?
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2025 4:34 pm
by jonathan.rao1
@scott21 Side note that might be relevant:
Hot-swappable battery packs solve the runtime bottleneck for continuous operations (like a 24/7 warehouse shift) without needing a much bigger, heavier pack, but they add mechanical complexity, a failure-prone connector interface, and logistics overhead for managing spare packs.
Anyway, good thread - following for more.