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Re: How do you explain the actuator-vs-software bottleneck debate to a beginner?
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2025 12:07 pm
by green28
@giulia.roberts4 From what I've seen:
Roughly 7,000-8,000 commercial humanoids are estimated to be operational worldwide as of mid-2026, which sounds like a lot until you compare it to the millions of industrial arms already installed. 'General purpose' in 2026 mostly means 'can be reprogrammed for a new task without new hardware,' not 'can walk into any environment and figure things out unsupervised.'
Re: How do you explain the actuator-vs-software bottleneck debate to a beginner?
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 2:19 pm
by dubois35
@green28 Tangent, but worth mentioning:
The uncanny valley matters a lot less in a warehouse than in a living room - nobody cares if a picking robot looks a little stiff, but a home-companion robot with a slightly-off gait reads as unsettling fast.
Re: How do you explain the actuator-vs-software bottleneck debate to a beginner?
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 5:21 pm
by ethan_fisc
Still learning the space, so correct me if wrong -
Most flashy demo reels involve some amount of teleoperation, scripted sequencing, or cherry-picked takes - that's not necessarily dishonest, but it does mean the gap between 'demoed' and 'reliably autonomous in production' is still large.
Re: How do you explain the actuator-vs-software bottleneck debate to a beginner?
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 3:55 am
by kwilliams
Genuinely curious -
Legs earn their keep specifically where the environment wasn't redesigned for robots - stairs, curbs, uneven yards, cluttered floors - which is a smaller slice of real-world tasks than the marketing suggests.
Re: How do you explain the actuator-vs-software bottleneck debate to a beginner?
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 8:35 am
by tariqlarsen
Speaking from personal experience here,
Wheeled-torso designs solve 90% of warehouse and light-industrial tasks with far less complexity than a biped, which is exactly why so many 'humanoid' demos quietly have wheels under a skirt.
Reminds me a bit of the early drone hobbyist scene, honestly.
Re: How do you explain the actuator-vs-software bottleneck debate to a beginner?
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:58 am
by sarah.santos3
@tariqlarsen Minor factual note:
The uncanny valley matters a lot less in a warehouse than in a living room - nobody cares if a picking robot looks a little stiff, but a home-companion robot with a slightly-off gait reads as unsettling fast. The 'humanoid' form factor mostly wins on infrastructure compatibility, not raw efficiency - stairs, doors, and tools were all built for a human body plan, so a legged, two-armed robot slots into existing spaces without retrofitting them.
Re: How do you explain the actuator-vs-software bottleneck debate to a beginner?
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2025 3:28 am
by deborahperez
Still learning the space, so correct me if wrong -
The safety case for humanoids working near people usually leans on compliant/backdrivable joints plus soft force limits, but there isn't yet a mature, widely-adopted standard equivalent to what industrial arms have had for decades.
Re: How do you explain the actuator-vs-software bottleneck debate to a beginner?
Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2025 1:31 pm
by erik_novi
@deborahperez Side note that might be relevant:
Automotive plants ended up as the first serious proving ground for humanoids mostly because they already have structured environments, safety processes, and budget for automation - not because car assembly is uniquely suited to bipeds.
Re: How do you explain the actuator-vs-software bottleneck debate to a beginner?
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2025 10:45 pm
by jhansen
Small correction on one detail:
The uncanny valley matters a lot less in a warehouse than in a living room - nobody cares if a picking robot looks a little stiff, but a home-companion robot with a slightly-off gait reads as unsettling fast. Roughly 7,000-8,000 commercial humanoids are estimated to be operational worldwide as of mid-2026, which sounds like a lot until you compare it to the millions of industrial arms already installed.
Re: How do you explain the actuator-vs-software bottleneck debate to a beginner?
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:18 am
by choi98
@jhansen This raises a question for me -
'General purpose' in 2026 mostly means 'can be reprogrammed for a new task without new hardware,' not 'can walk into any environment and figure things out unsupervised.'
Kind of makes me think about how different this all looked even three years ago.