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Re: How much does ambient temperature actually affect actuator performance in the field?

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:14 am
by choi98
I can speak to this a bit. Motor cogging torque (the 'notchy' feel from magnet-to-slot interactions) shows up as small periodic torque ripple that can translate into visible joint jitter at low speeds - it's usually mitigated with skewed magnets, better current control, or software compensation tables. For dynamic walking and recovery, joint control bandwidth in the tens of Hz range is typically necessary to react to a stumble before the center of mass gets too far outside the support polygon.

Re: How much does ambient temperature actually affect actuator performance in the field?

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2024 10:27 am
by scott.andersson5
@choi98 Small correction on one detail: Reflected inertia is what a limb 'feels like' to the outside world through the gearbox - a high-ratio harmonic drive reflects a lot of the rotor's inertia back to the joint, making the limb feel stiffer and less forgiving on unexpected impacts. Encoder resolution requirements scale with how tightly you need to control low-speed motion - coarse encoders are fine for open-loop swing phases but cause visible stutter during precise placement or fine force control.

Re: How much does ambient temperature actually affect actuator performance in the field?

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 11:27 am
by emilyperez
Minor factual note: Reflected inertia is what a limb 'feels like' to the outside world through the gearbox - a high-ratio harmonic drive reflects a lot of the rotor's inertia back to the joint, making the limb feel stiffer and less forgiving on unexpected impacts. Cycloidal drives are a less common but real alternative to harmonic drives - lower cost at high ratios, decent efficiency, but historically bulkier for the same torque density, which is part of why they haven't fully displaced harmonic drives in commercial hips and knees.

Re: How much does ambient temperature actually affect actuator performance in the field?

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 9:46 pm
by zoeanderson
@emilyperez Just to be precise about one thing: Reflected inertia is what a limb 'feels like' to the outside world through the gearbox - a high-ratio harmonic drive reflects a lot of the rotor's inertia back to the joint, making the limb feel stiffer and less forgiving on unexpected impacts. Backdrivability is the property that lets an external force move a joint without destroying the gearbox or the motor - it's central to both safe human-robot contact and to letting a leg comply naturally when the robot stumbles.

Re: How much does ambient temperature actually affect actuator performance in the field?

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:01 pm
by choi98
@zoeanderson To answer this directly: Anti-backlash techniques in production actuators range from mechanical preloading (spring-loaded gear meshes) to purely software compensation that models and corrects for known backlash in the control loop.

Re: How much does ambient temperature actually affect actuator performance in the field?

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:52 am
by kwilliams
Ran into exactly this myself. A lot of the per-joint cost in a modern actuator isn't the motor - it's the combination of a precision gearbox, integrated encoders, torque sensing, and the driver electronics, all of which have to fit inside a housing the size of a fist.

Re: How much does ambient temperature actually affect actuator performance in the field?

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2024 2:10 am
by matthew43
That's the official framing, at least - reality tends to lag a bit. Backdrivability is the property that lets an external force move a joint without destroying the gearbox or the motor - it's central to both safe human-robot contact and to letting a leg comply naturally when the robot stumbles.

Re: How much does ambient temperature actually affect actuator performance in the field?

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:17 pm
by dchen
@matthew43 Small correction on one detail: Reflected inertia is what a limb 'feels like' to the outside world through the gearbox - a high-ratio harmonic drive reflects a lot of the rotor's inertia back to the joint, making the limb feel stiffer and less forgiving on unexpected impacts.

Re: How much does ambient temperature actually affect actuator performance in the field?

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2024 3:59 am
by emilyperez
One nitpick - Backdrivability is the property that lets an external force move a joint without destroying the gearbox or the motor - it's central to both safe human-robot contact and to letting a leg comply naturally when the robot stumbles. Anti-backlash techniques in production actuators range from mechanical preloading (spring-loaded gear meshes) to purely software compensation that models and corrects for known backlash in the control loop.

Re: How much does ambient temperature actually affect actuator performance in the field?

Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 6:50 pm
by noah_pate
I can speak to this a bit. It's common for a single humanoid to mix actuator types by joint - harmonic drives or hybrid geared actuators at the hips and shoulders where sustained torque matters most, and lower-ratio QDD-style actuators at ankles and knees where backdrivability and impact tolerance matter more. Boston Dynamics' commercial electric Atlas switched fully from hydraulic to QDD-style electric actuation, ending up quieter and lighter with comparable or better dynamic performance than the old hydraulic platform.