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Re: What's the real bottleneck in scaling actuator manufacturing right now?
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:37 am
by charlesbianchi
@scott.andersson5 Just to be precise about one thing:
Motor cogging torque (the 'notchy' feel from magnet-to-slot interactions) shows up as small periodic torque ripple that can translate into visible joint jitter at low speeds - it's usually mitigated with skewed magnets, better current control, or software compensation tables. A lot of the per-joint cost in a modern actuator isn't the motor - it's the combination of a precision gearbox, integrated encoders, torque sensing, and the driver electronics, all of which have to fit inside a housing the size of a fist.
Re: What's the real bottleneck in scaling actuator manufacturing right now?
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 5:35 am
by emilyperez
@charlesbianchi This is a great summary, thanks.
Harmonic drives use high reduction ratios (often around 100:1), which gives excellent force density, stiffness, and thermal endurance for continuous-duty lifting - the tradeoff is low backdrivability and some backlash.
Re: What's the real bottleneck in scaling actuator manufacturing right now?
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 12:34 am
by emilyperez
@emilyperez Small correction on one detail:
Series elastic actuators add a spring element in series with the drivetrain, which gives cheap, precise torque sensing (measure spring deflection) and passive shock absorption, at the cost of reduced control bandwidth and added complexity.
Re: What's the real bottleneck in scaling actuator manufacturing right now?
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 8:51 am
by olga_lind
@emilyperez I'll believe the stronger version of that claim when it's independently verified.
A lot of the per-joint cost in a modern actuator isn't the motor - it's the combination of a precision gearbox, integrated encoders, torque sensing, and the driver electronics, all of which have to fit inside a housing the size of a fist. Boston Dynamics' commercial electric Atlas switched fully from hydraulic to QDD-style electric actuation, ending up quieter and lighter with comparable or better dynamic performance than the old hydraulic platform.
Re: What's the real bottleneck in scaling actuator manufacturing right now?
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 11:58 pm
by chloe_jack
That's the official framing, at least - reality tends to lag a bit.
Boston Dynamics' commercial electric Atlas switched fully from hydraulic to QDD-style electric actuation, ending up quieter and lighter with comparable or better dynamic performance than the old hydraulic platform.
Kind of makes me think about how different this all looked even three years ago.
Re: What's the real bottleneck in scaling actuator manufacturing right now?
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 10:30 am
by pierregreen
@chloe_jack Small correction on one detail:
Torque sensing is frequently integrated directly into the actuator housing via strain gauges near the output flange or spring element, rather than bolted on as an external sensor, to save weight and reduce noise from mechanical slop.