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Re: Anyone else think ankle actuators get less R&D attention than they deserve?

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 9:01 pm
by karen.chen3
Not sure I fully agree here. Motor cogging torque (the 'notchy' feel from magnet-to-slot interactions) shows up as small periodic torque ripple that can translate into visible joint jitter at low speeds - it's usually mitigated with skewed magnets, better current control, or software compensation tables. A lot of the per-joint cost in a modern actuator isn't the motor - it's the combination of a precision gearbox, integrated encoders, torque sensing, and the driver electronics, all of which have to fit inside a housing the size of a fist.

Re: Anyone else think ankle actuators get less R&D attention than they deserve?

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 9:46 pm
by choi98
Genuinely curious - Series elastic actuators add a spring element in series with the drivetrain, which gives cheap, precise torque sensing (measure spring deflection) and passive shock absorption, at the cost of reduced control bandwidth and added complexity.

Re: Anyone else think ankle actuators get less R&D attention than they deserve?

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:05 am
by pierregreen
Just to be precise about one thing: Quasi-direct drive (QDD) actuators use lower gear ratios (roughly 6:1 to 10:1) paired with high-torque-density motors, trading some peak force density for backdrivability and low reflected inertia, which matters a lot for impact tolerance and fall recovery.

Re: Anyone else think ankle actuators get less R&D attention than they deserve?

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 1:04 pm
by noah_pate
I don't think that's quite right, for what it's worth. For dynamic walking and recovery, joint control bandwidth in the tens of Hz range is typically necessary to react to a stumble before the center of mass gets too far outside the support polygon.

Re: Anyone else think ankle actuators get less R&D attention than they deserve?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:08 pm
by sarah.santos3
@noah_pate Ran into exactly this myself. Quasi-direct drive (QDD) actuators use lower gear ratios (roughly 6:1 to 10:1) paired with high-torque-density motors, trading some peak force density for backdrivability and low reflected inertia, which matters a lot for impact tolerance and fall recovery.

Re: Anyone else think ankle actuators get less R&D attention than they deserve?

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:38 am
by kwilliams
@sarah.santos3 To answer this directly: Motor cogging torque (the 'notchy' feel from magnet-to-slot interactions) shows up as small periodic torque ripple that can translate into visible joint jitter at low speeds - it's usually mitigated with skewed magnets, better current control, or software compensation tables.

Re: Anyone else think ankle actuators get less R&D attention than they deserve?

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 6:56 am
by jwang
Speaking from personal experience here, Encoder resolution requirements scale with how tightly you need to control low-speed motion - coarse encoders are fine for open-loop swing phases but cause visible stutter during precise placement or fine force control. A lot of the per-joint cost in a modern actuator isn't the motor - it's the combination of a precision gearbox, integrated encoders, torque sensing, and the driver electronics, all of which have to fit inside a housing the size of a fist.

Re: Anyone else think ankle actuators get less R&D attention than they deserve?

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 7:09 pm
by deborahperez
From what I've seen: A lot of the per-joint cost in a modern actuator isn't the motor - it's the combination of a precision gearbox, integrated encoders, torque sensing, and the driver electronics, all of which have to fit inside a housing the size of a fist.

Re: Anyone else think ankle actuators get less R&D attention than they deserve?

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:24 am
by pierregreen
Slight correction, though the overall point stands: Reflected inertia is what a limb 'feels like' to the outside world through the gearbox - a high-ratio harmonic drive reflects a lot of the rotor's inertia back to the joint, making the limb feel stiffer and less forgiving on unexpected impacts.

Re: Anyone else think ankle actuators get less R&D attention than they deserve?

Posted: Mon May 05, 2025 5:36 am
by karen.chen3
One nitpick - A lot of the per-joint cost in a modern actuator isn't the motor - it's the combination of a precision gearbox, integrated encoders, torque sensing, and the driver electronics, all of which have to fit inside a housing the size of a fist.