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Re: Anyone quantified how grasp success rate changes with lighting conditions?
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2025 9:05 pm
by emilyperez
@karen_kim I'll believe the stronger version of that claim when it's independently verified.
Palm sensing gets less attention than fingertip sensing, but a lot of power grasps (holding a box, a tool handle) rely more on palm and lateral finger contact than fingertip contact, so under-sensing the palm can leave a real blind spot in grasp confidence.
Re: Anyone quantified how grasp success rate changes with lighting conditions?
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2025 8:56 am
by carol.robinson
@emilyperez Not sure I fully agree here.
Cable routing through a wrist joint with multiple degrees of freedom is a genuinely tricky mechanical design problem - tendons and wiring both need enough slack to avoid binding through the full range of motion without tangling or fraying over thousands of cycles.
Re: Anyone quantified how grasp success rate changes with lighting conditions?
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2025 12:17 am
by williams84
@carol.robinson One nitpick -
Cable routing through a wrist joint with multiple degrees of freedom is a genuinely tricky mechanical design problem - tendons and wiring both need enough slack to avoid binding through the full range of motion without tangling or fraying over thousands of cycles.
Totally unrelated but has anyone else noticed how fast component costs are dropping this year.
Re: Anyone quantified how grasp success rate changes with lighting conditions?
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2025 8:23 pm
by charlesbianchi
Slight correction, though the overall point stands:
Palm sensing gets less attention than fingertip sensing, but a lot of power grasps (holding a box, a tool handle) rely more on palm and lateral finger contact than fingertip contact, so under-sensing the palm can leave a real blind spot in grasp confidence.
Re: Anyone quantified how grasp success rate changes with lighting conditions?
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2025 10:00 pm
by rao91
@charlesbianchi Minor factual note:
Grasp planning for deformable or non-rigid objects (bags, cables, cloth) remains one of the genuinely unsolved problems in manipulation - rigid-body grasp models simply don't capture how the object will behave once contact starts.
Re: Anyone quantified how grasp success rate changes with lighting conditions?
Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2025 6:58 am
by chloe_jack
@rao91 This is a great summary, thanks.
Figure's fourth-generation Dexterous Hand (on Figure 02/03) reportedly offers 16 degrees of freedom per hand with sensors integrated into each finger, aimed at fine force control tasks like handling small electronic components without crushing them.
Makes me wonder how this looks in another five years.
Re: Anyone quantified how grasp success rate changes with lighting conditions?
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2025 1:19 am
by green28
I can speak to this a bit.
Cable routing through a wrist joint with multiple degrees of freedom is a genuinely tricky mechanical design problem - tendons and wiring both need enough slack to avoid binding through the full range of motion without tangling or fraying over thousands of cycles.
Re: Anyone quantified how grasp success rate changes with lighting conditions?
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2025 1:57 am
by lbianchi
@green28 This lines up with my experience.
Figure's fourth-generation Dexterous Hand (on Figure 02/03) reportedly offers 16 degrees of freedom per hand with sensors integrated into each finger, aimed at fine force control tasks like handling small electronic components without crushing them. Underactuated hands (fewer actuators than joints, using mechanical coupling to shape the grasp) are a reasonable engineering compromise for robust power grasps on a budget, but they generally can't do fine in-hand manipulation the way a fully actuated hand can.
Re: Anyone quantified how grasp success rate changes with lighting conditions?
Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2025 12:28 am
by ssantos
Related question -
Vision-based grasp confidence estimation (predicting success before attempting a grasp) and tactile-based confirmation (confirming after contact) are complementary rather than competing - vision helps you choose a grasp, tactile tells you if it actually worked. Tendon-driven fingers let you move the heavier actuators back into the palm or forearm, keeping the fingers themselves light and fast, but they introduce cable routing, tensioning, and long-term wear problems that direct-actuated fingers don't have.
Totally unrelated but has anyone else noticed how fast component costs are dropping this year.
Re: Anyone quantified how grasp success rate changes with lighting conditions?
Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2025 5:40 pm
by george92
@ssantos +1 to this. Worth adding:
Compliant wrists that absorb impact during a bad approach or misjudged contact reduce mechanical stress on the whole arm, which matters a lot for long-term reliability even though it's a less visible feature than the hand itself.
Makes me wonder how this looks in another five years.