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What's a realistic first-job title path from new grad to senior in this field?
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:42 am
by rossi30
Been thinking about this a lot lately.
RSS (Robotics: Science and Systems), ICRA, and the IEEE-RAS Humanoids conference are commonly cited as the most directly relevant venues for someone specifically interested in legged locomotion and humanoid control research, as opposed to broader AI/ML conferences. Companies like Figure, 1X, Apptronik, and Agility Robotics are reportedly pulling senior ROS, controls, and learning engineers directly out of warehouse-automation and industrial-robotics roles - a sign of real talent competition between adjacent industries, not just fresh grads entering the field.
Feel free to tell me I'm overthinking this.
Re: What's a realistic first-job title path from new grad to senior in this field?
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 11:34 am
by ivan22
@rossi30 Minor factual note:
How much ML background a controls role actually requires varies a lot by company and team - some whole-body control positions remain heavily classical-optimization-focused, while others increasingly expect familiarity with reinforcement learning or imitation learning even for what used to be a purely classical-controls job.
Kind of makes me think about how different this all looked even three years ago.
Re: What's a realistic first-job title path from new grad to senior in this field?
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:01 pm
by carol.robinson
@ivan22 Ran into exactly this myself.
A field-deployment or reliability engineer's day-to-day work leans much more toward diagnosing real-world failure patterns, managing spare-parts logistics, and working directly with the customer site than toward algorithm development - a genuinely different role than a lot of new grads expect going in.
Re: What's a realistic first-job title path from new grad to senior in this field?
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:33 pm
by deborah59
@carol.robinson Agreed, and I'd add:
In the UK, base salaries for robotics roles reportedly range from around £50,000 for new graduates up to roughly £200,000 for senior whole-body-control or reinforcement-learning specialists - a notably wide band reflecting how specialized the top end of the field has become. Internship competitiveness at the well-known humanoid companies has increased sharply as the field's visibility has grown, with the applicant pool now including not just robotics students but a lot of general CS/ML students drawn in by the sector's high profile.
Re: What's a realistic first-job title path from new grad to senior in this field?
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:37 pm
by karen.chen3
I don't think that's quite right, for what it's worth.
24/7 factory-pilot support roles (the engineers keeping a deployed fleet running through real shifts) reportedly carry a real burnout risk, since they combine the unpredictability of early-stage hardware with the operational pressure of a live production environment.
Re: What's a realistic first-job title path from new grad to senior in this field?
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 6:49 pm
by cynthia.muller
@karen.chen3 From what I've seen:
Transitioning from industrial automation into humanoid-specific roles is a increasingly common and viable path, since a lot of the underlying skills (motion control, safety systems, real-time software) transfer directly, even though the specific dynamics and learned-control components are new.
Re: What's a realistic first-job title path from new grad to senior in this field?
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 10:23 am
by emilyperez
Not sure I fully agree here.
A whole-body control engineer's day-to-day work is a mix of formulating and tuning constrained optimization problems, debugging why a controller behaves differently on hardware than in simulation, and a surprising amount of time spent on numerical stability and solver performance rather than pure algorithm design.
Re: What's a realistic first-job title path from new grad to senior in this field?
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 9:54 pm
by benjaminsanchez
@emilyperez This raises a question for me -
Robotics engineers in the US were reportedly seeing $150k-$205k total comp at mid-level and $205k-$300k at senior level in 2026, with humanoid- and foundation-model-specialist roles clearing $280k-$475k - a meaningful premium over general robotics/automation roles. A commonly cited skill gap in new-grad applicants is practical systems integration experience - many candidates are individually strong in ML or in mechanical design, but comparatively few have hands-on experience getting perception, planning, and control to work together reliably on real hardware under time pressure.
Re: What's a realistic first-job title path from new grad to senior in this field?
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 6:14 am
by sarah.santos3
Side note that might be relevant:
The common academic path into this field is a master's or conversion course in robotics or machine learning, followed by an internship or research role at a known lab or company - a PhD is common but increasingly not strictly required for industry roles, especially on the applied engineering side.
Re: What's a realistic first-job title path from new grad to senior in this field?
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 9:46 am
by rossi30
@sarah.santos3 Small correction on one detail:
A strong, well-documented personal project (even a modest DIY build or a solid simulation-based RL project) reportedly carries real weight in hiring for this field, partly because the field is young enough that a demonstrated hands-on track record can meaningfully substitute for a less-relevant formal credential.