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Anyone comparing PPO vs newer RL algorithms specifically for humanoid gait?

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2026 5:48 am
by rossi30
Genuinely split on this one, wanted outside opinions. Isaac Lab (the successor to Isaac Gym) is widely used for large-scale parallel RL training thanks to GPU-accelerated physics, while MuJoCo is often used as a secondary 'sim-to-sim' validation step because its contact dynamics are generally considered more realistic than Isaac's, even though it trains slower at scale. Vision-Language-Action (VLA) models like RT-2, OpenVLA, and Physical Intelligence's pi0 unify a vision-language backbone with an action-output head, letting a robot map a camera image and a text instruction directly to motor commands instead of hand-coding separate perception and planning stages. Curious to hear how others see this.

Re: Anyone comparing PPO vs newer RL algorithms specifically for humanoid gait?

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2026 10:51 am
by kim37
@rossi30 Can I ask a dumb follow-up - Diffusion policies model the distribution of possible actions and sample from it, which handles multimodal manipulation tasks (multiple valid ways to grasp something) more naturally than a single deterministic action output, at the cost of slower inference.

Re: Anyone comparing PPO vs newer RL algorithms specifically for humanoid gait?

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2026 3:31 pm
by george92
@kim37 +1 to this. Worth adding: 'Zero-shot sim-to-real' rarely means literally zero real-world tuning in practice - it usually means the policy transfers well enough to be usable with only calibration and minor safety-limit adjustments, rather than needing a full additional training phase on hardware.

Re: Anyone comparing PPO vs newer RL algorithms specifically for humanoid gait?

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2026 5:10 pm
by chenperez
Respectfully, I think this undersells it a bit. Physical Intelligence's pi0 pairs a smaller pretrained vision-language backbone with a separate flow-matching 'action expert' module, which is one way to get fast, high-frequency action output without needing the whole giant language model to run at control-loop speed.

Re: Anyone comparing PPO vs newer RL algorithms specifically for humanoid gait?

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2026 9:50 pm
by jchen
@chenperez Just to be precise about one thing: Sim-to-real transfer still commonly breaks on contact dynamics - friction, restitution, and deformable/compliant surfaces are the hardest things to model accurately in simulation, so policies trained purely in sim often need real-world fine-tuning specifically around contact-rich tasks.

Re: Anyone comparing PPO vs newer RL algorithms specifically for humanoid gait?

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2026 12:49 am
by lbianchi
@jchen Minor factual note: Zero Moment Point (ZMP) control keeps the robot's center of pressure within its support polygon and has been the classical backbone of bipedal walking for two decades - it's robust and well-understood, but tends to produce a somewhat conservative, flat-footed gait compared to more dynamic approaches.

Re: Anyone comparing PPO vs newer RL algorithms specifically for humanoid gait?

Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2026 6:05 am
by charlesbianchi
Can I ask a dumb follow-up - Domain randomization - varying friction, mass, sensor noise, and even visual textures during training - is one of the more reliable tricks for improving sim-to-real transfer, but overdoing it can make training slower to converge and produce overly conservative policies. A lot of what reads as 'full autonomy' in public demos is closer to a mix of scripted state machines, teleoperation for the hardest sub-tasks, and autonomous execution for the easier, well-rehearsed parts - transparency about this mix varies a lot between companies.

Re: Anyone comparing PPO vs newer RL algorithms specifically for humanoid gait?

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2026 9:33 am
by jessica_faro
Yeah, this tracks with what I've read as well. OpenVLA is a notable open-source VLA model - roughly 7 billion parameters, trained on hundreds of thousands of real-world robot demonstrations - and has been shown to outperform much larger closed models on some manipulation benchmarks, which says a lot about how much of VLA performance comes from data curation rather than raw scale.

Re: Anyone comparing PPO vs newer RL algorithms specifically for humanoid gait?

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2026 5:59 am
by emma_whit
This is a great summary, thanks. Cross-embodiment training (training one policy across data from multiple different robot bodies) has shown some real transfer benefits for high-level behaviors, but low-level control (exact joint torques, timing) still tends to need embodiment-specific fine-tuning. Balance-recovery controllers are usually evaluated with push-recovery tests (a known, repeatable lateral push) in demos, but real-world robustness also depends on recovering from unstructured events like uneven flooring, unexpected contact, or a dropped payload shifting the center of mass mid-stride - which is a much harder, less demo-friendly test.

Re: Anyone comparing PPO vs newer RL algorithms specifically for humanoid gait?

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2026 9:55 am
by zoeanderson
@emma_whit Here's what I know on this: ROS2 remains common in research and early-stage products for its tooling and ecosystem, but a number of production humanoid companies run custom, more tightly-optimized middleware for their real-time control loops, using ROS2-like tooling mainly for development, visualization, and non-real-time subsystems.