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How much does object symmetry actually simplify grasp planning in practice?

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2026 1:52 pm
by nicole57
Been thinking about this a lot lately. Wet, oily, or otherwise low-friction objects are still a genuine edge case for most current hands, since tactile sensing and grasp-force controllers are typically tuned and validated on dry, higher-friction test objects. Tendon-driven fingers let you move the heavier actuators back into the palm or forearm, keeping the fingers themselves light and fast, but they introduce cable routing, tensioning, and long-term wear problems that direct-actuated fingers don't have. Open to being corrected on the specifics.

Re: How much does object symmetry actually simplify grasp planning in practice?

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2026 5:04 pm
by novikova63
@nicole57 That's the official framing, at least - reality tends to lag a bit. Object occlusion by the robot's own hand during the final approach to a grasp is a common and annoying perception problem - the closer the hand gets to a good grasp position, the more it blocks the camera's view of exactly what it's about to grab.

Re: How much does object symmetry actually simplify grasp planning in practice?

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2026 6:53 pm
by robertmiller
Short answer: In-hand reorientation (repositioning a grasped object without setting it down) is one of the more advanced manipulation skills, requiring either a highly dexterous hand with enough DoF or clever use of gravity and controlled slipping - it's an active research area rather than a solved problem.

Re: How much does object symmetry actually simplify grasp planning in practice?

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2026 8:21 pm
by sven.wilson4
Short answer: Palm sensing gets less attention than fingertip sensing, but a lot of power grasps (holding a box, a tool handle) rely more on palm and lateral finger contact than fingertip contact, so under-sensing the palm can leave a real blind spot in grasp confidence.

Re: How much does object symmetry actually simplify grasp planning in practice?

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2026 12:48 am
by scott21
I see it a little differently. Payload-to-hand-weight ratio varies a lot across current dexterous hands, and it's a meaningful tradeoff - more DoF and finer sensing generally means more actuators and mass in the hand itself, which eats into the arm's usable payload budget.

Re: How much does object symmetry actually simplify grasp planning in practice?

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2026 1:11 pm
by ethan.lewis5
Minor factual note: Cable routing through a wrist joint with multiple degrees of freedom is a genuinely tricky mechanical design problem - tendons and wiring both need enough slack to avoid binding through the full range of motion without tangling or fraying over thousands of cycles.

Re: How much does object symmetry actually simplify grasp planning in practice?

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2026 12:26 pm
by emily.walker2
@ethan.lewis5 Side note that might be relevant: Figure's fourth-generation Dexterous Hand (on Figure 02/03) reportedly offers 16 degrees of freedom per hand with sensors integrated into each finger, aimed at fine force control tasks like handling small electronic components without crushing them.

Re: How much does object symmetry actually simplify grasp planning in practice?

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 5:28 pm
by charlesbianchi
This matches what I've seen too. Imitation learning from human demonstration video (without robot teleoperation data) is an appealing way to scale up training data cheaply, but it runs into the embodiment gap - human hand kinematics and force profiles don't map directly onto a robot hand's very different mechanism. Compliant wrists that absorb impact during a bad approach or misjudged contact reduce mechanical stress on the whole arm, which matters a lot for long-term reliability even though it's a less visible feature than the hand itself.

Re: How much does object symmetry actually simplify grasp planning in practice?

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 3:30 am
by lbianchi
Minor factual note: Grasp planning for deformable or non-rigid objects (bags, cables, cloth) remains one of the genuinely unsolved problems in manipulation - rigid-body grasp models simply don't capture how the object will behave once contact starts.

Re: How much does object symmetry actually simplify grasp planning in practice?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2026 12:18 am
by greta.carter
@lbianchi Pretty much this. One thing to add: A lot of the manipulation shown in production demos still leans heavily on teleoperation, particularly for anything involving fine force control or novel objects - autonomous grasp success rates on genuinely unstructured, previously-unseen clutter are still well below what teleoperation can achieve.